Here's why Texas A&M will be the most overrated team in the country entering 2022
Almost every time I looked at a post-spring Top 25 ranking, I had the same thought.
Man, y’all are way too high on Texas A&M.
Putting the Aggies as a preseason top-5 team, which ESPN, FOX Sports and 247sports all did in their spring rankings, is absurd.
I say that as someone who was banging the drum for the Aggies at this time last year. I predicted that A&M would win 10 regular-season games in 2021, including the all-important showdown against Alabama (I admittedly backed off that pick the week of the game once Haynes King was out). I don’t think there’s any world in which Jimbo Fisher is on the hot seat, and I believe that the Aggies have a legitimate championship window from 2023-24.
But even A&M fans have to admit that a preseason top-5 ranking is … optimistic.
Even if Haynes King is healthy and looks the part, remember that we’re talking about a team who went 4-4 in SEC play and ranks No. 84 in FBS in percentage of returning production. That stat doesn’t account for losing defensive coordinator Mike Elko to Duke, and it was recorded before Demond Demas and Caleb Chapman hit the transfer portal.
If we were talking about a team like Ohio State, Alabama or Georgia with question marks like that, it’d be one thing. But we’re not. We’re talking about a team without a division title in the Big 12 or SEC this century. A&M hasn’t even had consecutive top-15 seasons since 1994-95.
So why then is A&M getting all of this love? Two reasons.
The first is that fresh off Georgia winning a national title and ending the 1980 jokes, A&M is the next long-suffering program that could end a championship drought. The Aggies’ title drought dates to 1939. It’s not a coincidence that A&M’s lofty preseason ranking coincided with Fisher signing the highest-rated recruiting class in the 247sports era. There’s buzz around College Station, as there should be.
The problem is that an elite freshman class isn’t a reason for a preseason top-5 ranking. Maybe it is in basketball, but it certainly isn’t in football.
The other reason for A&M’s buzz is obvious. Outside of Alabama, Georgia and Ohio State, there’s a significant drop-off. Why? Look at all these programs with new coaches:
- Florida
- LSU
- Miami
- Notre Dame
- Oklahoma
- Oregon
- USC
Those teams are all usually right in that conversation near the top of the preseason rankings. On top of that, Clemson just had its worst season in 7 years, it lost both of its top assistants and Dabo Swinney’s refusal to utilize the transfer portal has the normally sure-handed Tigers facing more questions than answers.
(I initially had Clemson at No. 4 in my way-too-early top 10 and instantly regretted it. The Tigers won’t be at that spot when I update my rankings this fall.)
As a result, it’s a strange preseason top 10 to fill out. You’re either going to put a lot of faith in a first-year coach or you’re going to side with promising teams that don’t have rich history like Baylor, NC State and Utah. I opted more for the latter. Putting Baylor and Utah in the No. 5 to No. 7 range, fresh off New Year’s 6 bowl appearances, made more sense to me than giving preseason love to a program with a first-year coach like Notre Dame or USC (but I admit I’m higher on Oklahoma now than I was 4 months ago).
Let’s also remember another important detail here. Preseason rankings aren’t supposed to be about predicting a team’s final record. Strength of schedule shouldn’t have anything to do with a preseason ranking. If we’re talking about betting odds for regular-season win totals, that’s a different subject.
Preseason rankings do matter, though. In a sport with an 8-month offseason, preseason rankings sell recruits, tickets and narratives. There’s no denying the path to the Playoff is easier for a preseason top-5 team that goes undefeated compared to a preseason unranked team that goes undefeated.
Even if A&M improves, that path is still difficult. Given the production A&M lost, it’s hard to assume that Fisher is going to have the depth necessary to sustain a potential top-5 ranking. Fisher just had his first Round 1 prospect since Jalen Ramsey in 2016, when he still was at FSU. Mind you, he had the same coordinators in each of his first 4 seasons at A&M. At a place with abundant resources, that’s not a sign that he’s suddenly going to have a roster full of top-end NFL prospects, which is exactly what you need to compete at a top-5 level in the Playoff era.
Maybe this would be a different story if A&M had scholarships available to be active in the transfer portal, but that wasn’t the case. The Aggies got 2 players from the portal, 1 of which is Micaiah Overton, AKA the older brother of 5-star 2022 signee Lebbeus Overton and the other is, well, Max Johnson, AKA the older brother of 4-star 2022 signee Jake Johnson.
We don’t know that either will start. Max Johnson had the most casual 27-6 TD-INT ratio in the history of college football, though it was for a 6-win LSU team that ranked No. 80 in scoring. Even if Johnson beats out King for the starting job, is he suddenly about to take A&M’s offense into overdrive? It’s not impossible, but it’s unlikely.
So then that begs the question — if A&M isn’t a top-5 team, where should it start? I’d say more like No. 12-14, and I’ll only say that because I’m cautiously optimistic about King being an X-factor. The offensive line should be better as a whole and Devon Achane has legitimate All-American potential. But a defense with nearly its entire front 7 to replace scares me, as does the dwindling amount of pass-catching options outside of Ainias Smith (Evan Stewart is trying to become the first true freshman receiver to ever pop in Fisher’s offense).
Yet even with those concerns, I fully expect far too many people to assume that the Aggies are next. Maybe sanity will set in over the summer and AP voters will wisely rethink just why so many publications put A&M in their spring top 5. Or perhaps that’s just wishful thinking.
All signs point to the Aggies being overrated to start 2022. If and when that happens, I’m fully prepared to sound like a broken record.
Man, y’all were too high on A&M.
First Comment BOZOS
As Lil Penny would say, congratulations on your no-prize-winning victory.
Stop being an @$$ and buy him a cup of coffee. Then he can say he won something.
I agree completely with the writer. Way to many unknowns and inexperienced players to be considered top5. I also think they will be legit contenders in another year or two (probably two) if they continue the recruiting momentum and I don’t mean the #1 class just consistent top 10 classes. I think they will be good, top 15 good but not sure they make it any higher and if all that inexperience shows up big they could easily fall further.
His logic is sorely lacking. I agree that TAMU is a year away. But if TAMU should not be top 5 due to the loss of team production at 84, then why does he put Baylor there with a loss of team production at 98? This is logically inconsistent.
Baylor is in the Big 12 and not in the SEC! See the difference the record can be if you put Baylor in the SEC then they wouldn’t be anywhere in the top 20!
I’d have to see more of their video but it’s not easy to win that many games in the Big 12
If the conference was part of the equation, then he had a chance to state that. Instead, he just mentioned returning production. Typical lefty, trying to change the narrative in midstream.
The Texas 8&4 folks are about to go nuts over this
Why? We all think it’s too high as well
You always seem so oblivious to the reality around college ball. I don’t know a single A&M fan that disagrees with Connor’s take here. Top5 is way too optimistic at this point.
^These two comments right here made me like your fan base alot more.
I live in Aggieland. I have not seen much written on how the Aggies will end up in the 2022 season from a local perspective. Yes we had a great recruiting season. But I have not seen anything speculating on where the Aggies wil end up national champions. So I guess it is slow now for items to write about concerning college football, so all these other sports pundits around the country have written on how great A&M will be. Here in Aggieland we hope we do well but it is more of ‘a wait and see how the Aggies do’ as the 2022 football season progress through the fall. So let’s just wait and see how the Aggie football season goes…OK?
Exactly. I’m on campus 5-7 days a week and everyone rolls their eyes at these hot sports takes. Optimism is certainly high, but we’re looking more towards a strong run in 2023-2024.
The 3rd factor is their presence in the West. Going through Bama annually is obviously a tough ask, no matter who you are. There’s no Vanderbilt in that division, and now Kelly’s at a blue-blood with equivalent resources. Pittman and Kiffen will be tough outs. If Auburn ever gets it’s act together, there’s another challenge.
Of course all this is dependent on what happens with the expansion, but it appears the SEC is set as-is for the next 3 seasons.
LSU’s last 2 head coach’s won national titles. I would project LSU winning another title before A&M gets one.
*Last 3 head coaches
The last 5 recruiting classes at TAMU: 2018 (17th); 2019 (4th); 2020 (6th); 2021 (8th); and 2022 (1st…and best class ever claims from some). If a roster made up of that kind of recruiting doesn’t have enough talent to catch an UGA team that is losing a ton to the NFL and a Bama team that TAMU beat last year, then I don’t see how you can say the coach isn’t going to be on the hot seat. This take makes absolutely zero sense. Fisher needs a big season this year. Period.
BTW…this is the third article than Connor has written basically making excuses for Jimbo before the season has even started. Makes you wonder if he is getting TAMU NIL money or something. I don’t get it. Connor is a Jimbo apologist.
*that
love the tossed-out idea that o’gara may have also gotten some of that nil money. why not? there’s certainly been plenty to go around.
to all a&m fans, above is more of a funny assertion than any type of knock to the team. i’ve said it many times, it doesn’t seem that a&m broke any rules in being the first school to really take advantage of the new nil opportunities. that’s a compliment to the brain trust over there, not a knock
Fully agree. It’s just funny to see Jimbo deny it and the fans buy it.
As though Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State, etc. etc. did not have any NIL money given to their players…
Jimbo never denied NIL money, maybe actually listen and pay attention to what he did deny instead of creating things that fit your narrative.
Because, while A&M was 17th, 4th, 6th, 8th and 1st in those years, Bama and UGA were 1st, 2nd or 3rd in pretty much all of those years. A&M’s depth of talent isn’t at that level yet. Y’all want Jimbo to be on the hot seat. Most A&M fans see the direction the program is going in. Lots to be said about stability.
i don’t think any rational sports fan is calling him to be on the hot seat. they’re more wanting to see better results than 8-4 seasons (save 2020); otherwise, enough with the a&m talk. there’s plenty of other 8-4 teams that don’t get anywhere near the hype
Maybe a warm seat, then. If he doesn’t compete for an SEC title next 2 years, I think the fan base will run him off if he doesn’t win it all 3 years from now. JMHO – I actually like Jimbo as a coach and recruiter, so I’m pulling for them to be a solid 2nd in the West for years to come. RTR!!!
BamaBone, All he has to do is compete for a chance to play in an SECCG and/or in the CFP. He will not be “run-off” for failing to win a National Title in 3 years. That is an absurd stance to take.
Not absurd at all. When you consider the money spent for this recruiting class, competing for the NC is expected or at lest it should be.
You act as if we didn’t pour money into the program when we were going 5-7 with Francione and Sherman. Since you both have all this insight into the Aggie program, I’ll let you think what you want. You really don’t understand how things work in College Station and what people close to the program expect. Stability > immediate success. A&M is not Texas.
Nah, y’all went all in for both money and corruption with Jimbo. Now, you have literally the most expensive team oil money can buy and enough shady NIL dealing to make the irrelevant ncaa look like your b***h. If your fans accept all this and no conference or nattys, then you are a dumber lot than I give you credit for.
Ridiculous take from a Bama fan. A little self-righteous, no? Think whatever you want. You don’t know anything about the program.
“The most expensive team oil money can buy.” First off, Texas has more industry than oil you inbred hick. Second, you act as if Bama and St. Nick haven’t had a bag man for his 12 years preceding the NIL shift. Kick rocks.
I don’t think he should be on the hot seat now. but if he doesn’t win this year that is where he will be. Because the media will put him there.
Media can do what they want, they can’t however put a coach on a hot seat. They can attempt to predict if he is or not, but last time I checked they don’t do any hiring or firing.
They don’t do the hiring and firing, but don’t be naive to think that the media doesn’t create narrative. There is pressure on Jimbo to win. They didn’t pay him all the money to go 8-4.
Creating a narrative and actually having control of the machinations of a program are two completely different things. Y’all are reaching. Worry about your own program.
I couldn’t have said it better. They didn’t just start recruiting in the Top 10 in 2022, there is no excuse for Jimbo not getting it done
Actually you could have said it much better if you wanted to be even remotely accurate. Just sayin’…
Umm. Nope. No hot seat for Jimbo. If you don’t understand that, you just don’t get college football.
Stars matter. The 247 talent composite for 2021 had Bama and UGA standing well above every other team in the country at #1 and 2. TAMU was way back at #8. I’m thinking that after all the transfer portal action for other teams, our #1 recruiting class in history will still only put us at #4 or #5 for 2022, and the majority of our 5 stars will be true Freshmen, unlike all of the teams above us.
This is one time in my life that I’m actually excited to say “wait til next year”. We have good things going on – it’ll just take a bit of time to get there.
Claims from some?? Haven’t heard a single person with knowledge of the game disagree about how good the 2022 class. As for the rest, that’s hogwash, you’re completely ignoring the many variables in play outside recruiting. Fisher is not even remotely close to being on the hot seat this season other than from click bait journalists that have no idea what’s actually going on.
You really can’t compare A&M’s talent level to bama or UGA in those previous recruiting classes. The difference in elite “top 100” players is dramatic when you compare a 6th ranked class to a 1st or 2nd ranked class. From 2018 to 2022 bama signed 52 top 100, while UGA signed 47 top 100. TAMU has now signed 37 in that time frame, with 18 of those in this 2022 class. Sure, a team with “really good” recruiting can occasionally break through, but elite recruiting will win out almost every time.
Bro. You really want to compare 14 and 19 of Alabama and Georgia’s total number of 5* to our total of 5 5*s? Sure those numbers will go up for us but it’s not like Alabama and Georgia didn’t recruit as they used to for 2022. They still recruited insanely well and they’ve been doing this consistently for more than how long A&M has been recruiting within top 10. Have some common sense.
Yea the 2022 class comprised of 18 year olds that have yet to take a snap of college ball are going to take down Bama and UGA. Jimbo should be fired this year if we don’t go 12-0.
Wadeless, Google is free. What were Bama and UGA’s recruiting rankings over that time? Since you apparently lack the ability to look that up, I will help you.
2018: Bama = 5; UGA = 1
2019:
Never part of my argument. That is Connor’s argument. I’m merely suggesting the Jimbo will have some hot seat if in year 5 he doesn’t crack 8-4. The comparable roster of UGA and Bama is irrelevant. Never mentioned it my post. Strawman.
You might want to read your comment again. This isn’t strawman by any means, it directly disputes your claim of why Jimbo would be on the hotseat.
I didn’t say anything about their rosters. We all know they are top 5 every year. My point is that TAMU has a close enough roster today to be closer than 8-4 and that another 8-4 team will put Fisher on the hottest. I never said TAMU had to go 12-0.
You seem very confused about what your argument is. Are you now claiming this wasn’t you?
“If a roster made up of that kind of recruiting doesn’t have enough talent to catch…”
Yea the 2022 class comprised of 18 year olds that have yet to take a snap of college ball are going to take down Bama and UGA. Jimbo should be fired this year if we don’t go 12-0.
Wadeless, Google is free. What were Bama and UGA’s recruiting rankings over that time? Since you apparently lack the ability to look that up, I will help you.
2018: Bama = 5; UGA = 1
2019: Bama = 1; UGA =2
2020: Bama = 2; UGA = 1
2021: Bama = 1; UGA = 4
So this ONE class flips the script on the teams that have done this every year? The 2019 A&M class has nobody left on campus, so that #4 rating is irrelevant.
Also, did you just skip over the part of the article that clearly explained A&M lost more production than Bama? Your thought process makes no sense. “A&M beat Bama last year, so if they don’t win this year Jimbo should be fired.” Glad you aren’t an Aggie. No wonder Flurrida and Dan Mullen couldn’t get it done with that delusion.
I never said “A&M beat Bama last year, so if they don’t win this year Jimbo should be fired.” Also, I don’t think that today’s culture of hire and fire is sane or sustainable.
All I’m saying is this…if Jimbo doesn’t win this year. He will go on the hot seat. And its true. I didn’t like it anymore when two seasons ago the narrative was “if Mullen doesn’t beat UGA, he will be on the hot seat”. I don’t think there are many coaches out there significantly better than Jimbo…it’s not my point. My point is this…Jimbo will be on the hot seat if they don’t get back to CFP or SEC title contention this year. Not saying it’s right or he deserves it, just saying that is what is going to happen if Jimbo pulls out an 8-4 or a 7-5 season.
“If a roster made up of that kind of recruiting doesn’t have enough talent to catch an UGA team that is losing a ton to the NFL and a Bama team that TAMU beat last year, then I don’t see how you can say the coach isn’t going to be on the hot seat.”
How do you catch a team in your own division, Wadeless? How do you compete for a CFP and/or a SECCG berth with Bama in your division, Brainless? I would assume beating them? But maybe I’m crazy?
Aggie fans have been saying this since the hype began.
The only people pushing them as top 5 are sports writers looking for something to write about.
Everyone else understands it will be at best a year before a Aggies will really compete.
At what point do we stop calling them “way too early” rankings?
Spring practice is behind us. The coaching carousel stopped a long time ago. We are a little over 100 days from kickoff.
Rankings are hardly even “early” at this point.
I think until the coaches and AP are released none of it really matters…
Way too early rankings are just one persons, or a very small groups, early predictions. The AP and Coaches poll have about 60 voters. Big difference.
Good point, and good logic.
LSU will still not be in the top 20. I think it will take BK 3 full years in the SEC before he will get anywhere worthy. Got ways to go when other SEC teams are making noise already and were non-factors when LSU won the last championship. SEC is much loaded this year and will be for years. Wasn’t like that in the past.
Not like LSU still isn’t loaded. CBK brought in so many transfers out of necessity for one, and also to win now. Rather than gunning for 6 or 7 wins, he’s built this team to win 9 at least.
More than what Missouri will get for sure.
GeauxTigers8, you’re saying BK and LSU will win 9 games in his first year with players and coaches he never worked with? you’re also saying the other SEC teams will take a step back and lose to LSU after what LSU did the last 2 years with Orgeron? Most new HCs takes time to gel and get the players and coaches to get the system set up. Yes, there will be some surprise wins and also surprise loses. Good luck with your team this year.
Most overrated? That title belongs to Texas, not Texas A&M.
And Texas A&M.
I say LSU.
GeauxTigers8 just gets upset because his Tigers aren’t getting any respect.
T A&M has no excuse for not finishing top 5-10. Looking at their recruiting over the last four years, resources and all.
Who in the SEC has recruited better besides Georgia and Alabama?
The expectations will start to ramp up on Fisher this year. As they should.
LSU has recruited similar(2022 excepted). Our problem was self inflicted. We went from Coach O to Coach BozO.
Though I will be forever grateful to Coach O for the 2019 ride.
You should actually look it up on your own before you make these comments. It’s Alabama, Georgia, LSU, Florida, and then Texas A&M.
Florida nor LSU have out recruited T A&M over the last four cycles. Florida isn’t even close
With the exception of 2018 Florida has been a few spots behind, but LSU has absolutely out recruiting A&M over the last few cycles.
You should actually look it up on your own before you make that comment lol… It’s not that hard. LSU out recruited us in 2020 and 2021. In 2019, they ranked right below us.
As far as total talent composite, LSU is #5, Florida #7, and A&M #8.
You fellas really need to learn how to read. Look at the first sentence of Tim’s post. Like I said, Florida nor LSU have out recruited T A&M over the last four years.
And for the talent composite for 2022, tamu is 6th, LSU is 7th and UF is tied for 10th. Jumbo has brought in the talent for a top tier school. Stop making excuses and hold the 120 million dollar man accountable.
Maybe you should learn how to read. You specifically stated LSU has not out-recruited A&M over the last 4 cycles which is exactly what I replied to. They absolutely have out-recruited them. What part of that do you think we’re not reading correctly?
So tamu has a higher talent composite than LSU this year but they haven’t out recruited them over the last four years? Come on Jethro. Get your chalk and find a sidewalk to cipher on…
Have you even bothered to look at the class rankings for the last few years before posting? Might want to do that before calling anyone “Jethro”.
The last four cycles LSU has 46 four star recruits and 9 five star recruits. Tamu has 60 four star recruits and 13 five star. Again, Florida nor LSU have out recruited tamu over the last four cycles. I’m not arguing w you anymore.
You realize 2022 bumped those numbers up big time for A&M right? Signing 8-5 stars and 19-4 stars will do that. Interesting that you don’t want to give the numbers year by year. I guess I wouldn’t want to argue anymore either if I realized I was wrong.
Here, since I know you won’t bother breaking it down because you don’t really want to know.. this is how those cycles actually played out by year:
TAMU
2022 5*/4*
2021 8/19
2020 1/15
2019 2/13
2018 2/13
LSU
2022 5*/4*
2021 1/6
2020 2/16
2019 3/13
2018 3/11
Still don’t see it?
tu has no excuse either nor does LSU but it seems A&M’s the only school getting hated for not finishing where they’re supposed to.
Rupert is correct. No excuses.
Interesting that Aggie fans are looking to tamp down expectations and fans of other teams are propping them up. The most overrated team will most likely be Texas or one of the Big 10 teams not named Ohio State.
I say LSU!
WHY?
He’s a nut. LSU wasn’t even mentioned. How can an unranked team be overrated? He’s best ignored.
TrueLefty is a true Dem idiot…
ha ha
It’s just the media setting this hype up and making flashy but poorly supported headlines that suggest A&M has all the reason to be where they are ranked. Easy to believe if you don’t actually follow A&M football.
Back when Deloss Dodd was AD at texas, every summer the chant would start “Texas #1” as the whole of 40-acres (i.e. texas fans) would be happy and start celebrating texas winning the national championship. Then the football season comes along and except for one (1) time, texas would fall short and texas fas would be depressed by New Years. Then the next summer comes along and once again the chant of “Texas #1!” would start up again. In fact since A&M left the Big 12, Texas has even had 3 or 4 losing seasons. Poooor Texas!
I say Texas without a doubt. I see them popping up on playoff team watches all over the place.. this is a team that just finished with an abysmal season and is rebuilding from nearly the ground up. Seems people are putting way too much stock into a great receiving core and 5 start transfer QB who may not even start. They also seem to be doing the same thing they are with the Aggies and putting way too much stock into freshman recruits making immediate impacts, only with Texas it all along their O-line.
A&M is way too high on every list. New DC, new QB (counting King as new with only 1.5 games played), and a lot of turn over on defense doesn
…doesn’t put us in the best setup. Bama might be able to handle that turnover like it’s nothing, but I’m not sure if any other team in the country can. The only real callout here is to ignore RJ Young when it comes to college football. The guy just makes outrageous claims for clickbait.
Now that’s a headline!
Losing Demas and Chapman has a negligible effect on production. Both had great potential, but neither had any significant contribution to the 2021 season. Hez and Lane will be back, both of whom missed most of the season with injuries. Both are reliable possession receivers. Stewart and Marshall will both earn playing time and are highly likely to make an impact. Brown and Moose are ready to step up. Preston has potential as long as he holds onto the ball.
The transition from Elko to Durkin will not miss a beat. Durkin runs a similar scheme and is proven. McKinley and Raikes had solid playing time last year and will fill in nicely. Look for Shemar Turner to become a force after doing very well in limited playing time in 2021. Diggs and Adeleye will do well on the edge, with Diggs being experienced there. Lucas was impressive in the spring. Nolen will likely earn significant playing time.
The secondary should be stronger this year. Richards, J. Jones, Chappell, Johnson, Harmon, and Gilbert all return. Look for Denver Harris to push for a starting role.
The running back room will be even better, in spite of losing Spiller. Spiller was a great running back. Achane is an exceptional running back. Spiller lacked breakaway speed, while Achane and Daniels possess breakaway speed. Not to mention LJ Johnson.
Wydermyer cruised through his last year, unfortunately. And had far, far too many drops. Johnson and Green – possibly Smith – will pick up the slack as far as receiving. Wright returns as the blocking tight end.
The offensive line should be improved, with J. Johnson’s departure and experienced players returning.
Special teams will be just as solid.
QB will improve, the question is how much. This will hold the difference in a championship run and a “good” season.
Are the Aggies overrated at 5th? Yes. But a strong case can be made for them being in the top 10.
Again, well said old Ag.
Might have said it better if he was an old hag! ;)
Do you research or do just write stuff and throw it out there? I agree that TAMU is a year away, but your reasoning on whether they should not be top 5 at the beginning, is seriously wanting. You say they should not be, because they rank number 84 in FBS in returning production. Then you say Baylor should be, and they rank number 98. You need better research, and to be consistent in your judgements.
Nice catch. Plenty of reasons for A&M not being ranked top 5, unfortunately he didn’t really touch on the right ones.
SDS doesn’t have the smartest writers.
Add me to the list of Aggies who agree we are ranked too high at #5 this early, especially with our current QB uncertainties. Every year we think will be the year our WR’s blossom, but it still hasn’t happened. And I can’t get over how many in the media can’t piece it together that this great class we just signed all played high school last year, so logic suggests that we might be ready to contend for CFB in 2-3 years. I see us in the top 10 maybe, but let’s see how we fare against Miami and Arky before talking about play-off hype for this year.
Sports writers over hyping a football team from the state of Texas?!?!? First time that’s ever happened
Dear Connor,
I agree with you and most Aggies that we shouldn’t be ranked in the preseason top 5.
It’s a strange time, though. You made the point that most of the usual preseason playoff contenders are in their first year of a head coach. A&M got the #1 class for that reason. ALL of its regional recruiting competitors had an unstable appearance with first or second year head coaches.
Ordinarily, the fact that all those teams are down would be a reason to pencil the Aggies in for a top spot, but we still have to go through Bama and UGA, and that’s not likely to happen this year. That’s why we’re realistic and patient.
Teams you mentioned:
Florida
LSU
Miami
Notre Dame
Oklahoma
Oregon
USC
The Aggies will be better than all of them this year, so I see why some of the preseason rankings have the Aggies ranked highly. You have to rank somebody, and yeah, we’ll have a better team than Baylor and NC State, too. Utah will be good, so I’m with you on that. I just don’t think preseason rankings matter all that much when we’re playing in the SEC West. In the SECW, you’re either #1 or #2 or you’re out of the hunt.
I’ll happily admit that we’re most likely out of the hunt for this year, but I’m going to enjoy the ride all the same.
Gig ’em!
I’m not convinced the Aggies will be better than all those teams with new coaches. You surely can’t say that is an absolute by any means.
Absolute? No. Nothing is absolute in preseason prediction. Any of those teams could surprise everyone and have a great season. Of all those teams on that list, LSU probably has the best chance of having a really good team, but playing in the SECW is difficult. USC and Oregon could be good in the PAC 12, but they have Utah, who should be the favorite. OU should be a tougher team with Venables at the helm. Still, first year head coaches don’t usually have a lot of success.
Les Miles won the SEC West his first season. Only lost 2 games the whole year, including to UGA in the SEC CG. Then blew out Miami in the Peach Bowl when LSU should have been in a New Year’s bowl.
Didn’t Guster get Auburn to National Title game his first season?
Nicky got LSU a Peach Bowl bowl win his first season in Baton Rouge…
GeauxTigers, Les Miles inherited a team 2 years removed from a National Championship.
Nicky’s Peach Bowl birth came with an 8-4 record. You are reaching.
That 8-4 Peach Bowl was really impressive. The West was loaded that year, with a 9-4 Auburn taking the title.
Saban and LSU’s Ls to UAB at home, an unranked Arky, 30+ point thrashing by Florida, and 17 point loss to Auburn are truly something to cite as precedent for first year coaching success. Give me a break.
It is an absolute.
It’s called an opinion. But since you have something to say, who will be better than them?
Where exactly was the prediction? It’s worded as a statement of fact. Gig’em responded just fine. You sound a bit sensitive. Not your best look. Based on his comment and list, I don’t have to pick one team as he “predicted” that the Aggies will be better than all. That leaves me the entire list. And, all I said was that I wasn’t convinced. I didn’t make a prediction at all. Reading is fundamental.
You refuted his opinion, with a statement inferring that A&M will not be better than those teams …. I clarified your statement claiming that will not be an absolute. Well no s^%$ Sherlock, that is why the season is played. Also, all I asked was your opinion on the matter. Your response is to call me sensitive when I disagree (frankly, really not a disagreement just a clarification) with your statement. That is all you do on here. When someone calls out your stupidity, you call them sensitive. No sensitivity here, Nostradamus. Just curious who you think will be better.
Reading is still fundamental and you clearly lack the comprehension skills to contribute. Notice he and I had a fine exchange. You just make up stuff. Good luck with that. Just to help you out, I didn’t refute his opinion. I said I wasn’t convinced. I wouldn’t expect you to understand the difference.
“I’m not convinced the Aggies will be better than all those teams with new coaches. You surely can’t say that is an absolute by any means.”
I’m not convinced = refuting an opinion. Pretty plain English. You throwing shade at my reading comprehension abilities without understanding what you said is comical.
So, do you have an opinion on which one of those teams will be better than A&M? We play 2 of them. I am interested to get a non-biased take.
Excuse me, 3.
I still don’t have to pick one as I can have the field. And, I’m not convinced I’m right either.
Who cares if you’re not right? Its freaking May. I thought this was a sports comment board, where takes are made and opinions are shared, whether incorrect or correct. Whatever.
Agreed, first year coaches historically have had some great success with teams playing really hard for them. It really depends on what they are stepping into and how much change is required. It’s really around the 3rd year you start to see if a coach is really going to make it or not. Coach O is a great example of this.
To really get this, account for the population of the state of texas, add two power five conferences, with some of the worst cheating programs of all time. Inside that border.
Now look at the jimbo aTm, the limbo Lowborns, rebounding Baylor, and new power five Houston.
This is not just about the aTm that can be Fishered out of the quagmire. It’s more about what a Fisher staff can execute. Just my opinion but I’m not giving Fisher any preseason favorite votes.
Wolfman, Lay off the bottle.
Or you could just bring your argument for why aTm has won the SEC and Big 12 coaching staff and recruiting challenges needed to win the SEC West and or SEC?
I cannot even decipher your first statement and the broken English.
I don’t see this season being any kind of playoff run season, but I do see it as being a season that will demonstrate if Jimbo is going to be able to navigate this new portal era and maintain a steady move towards that championship level team.
Anybody ever wonder what A&M did to Connor?
Maybe it was his first choice for school and he didn’t get in. Still holding a grudge after all these year.
I study the Aggies in a borderline obsessive way and I completely agree with O’Gara. Top 5 is too high; around 15th is closer to it. But make no mistake – this team is on the upswing in a major way. This will be a very young team in 2022 with 13 underclassmen starters while working in the #1 recruiting class. But look out for 2023 – looking at each position it’s very hard to find one that won’t be better in 2023 as there are only maybe two 2022 starters that will be draft eligible without an obvious equal or better replacement.
I agree. 12-15 is where I see us finishing. Would love to get to 10 wins, but 9 seems more realistic.
The first 5 games are key for these young players. If we go into Tuscaloosa undefeated and fairly healthy I look to get to 10 regular season wins whether we win or lose vs bama.
Fisher’s consistent recruitment of Top 10 classes which fail to produce Top 5 teams or even SEC West titles may be more of an indictment of the recruiting service industry than the inability of the TAMU program to develop elite players. Overrated recruits skew perception and expectations.
Top 3 class is usually twice as talented as far as elite players than a top 5-10 class. A program that averages in a top 7 class is much closer in talent to a program averaging a top 15 class than a program averaging a top 3 class. When you are twice as talented with stacked classes you have the depth to absorb a season with multiple injuries in key starting players. Hence, you have a season like Jimbo had last year. Those that refuse to see this really don’t know what they are talking about.
^This. People just look at the recruiting rank numbers and make false conclusions. Look at the number of 5*s difference between Alabama, Georgia vs A&M. Excluding ’22 class Bama and Georgia has 3, 4x the number of 5*s compared to us.
Even including ’22, it’s not like y’all chilled and did nothing. The gap is still there. Just on our way to closing it.
These preseason rankings every year the media sets up is a part of reason why people hate A&M. None of us besides the year after the 10-1 season thought A&M deserved to be in top 5. We still have an unproven QB in whoever ends up being the QB1. And the team we’re bringing in is a young team. Fans that actually follow A&M football would disagree with these rankings.
People really need to stop holding A&M to the same expectations they have for Bama and Georgia. Actually look up the talent composite and their recruiting history before you blurt out nonsense. Sure we should be doing better than our last year’s record but telling us that we should be on their level after ONE #1 recruiting class? Really? At this point this kind of nonsense is just a projection of pure jealousy and instability.
Both of your comments are spot on.
It’s less about “people” in general and more about the media pushing it. Most years it’s Texas that gets ranked way too high. I think after a decade of “Texas is backkkk”, they let that narrative go.
Wait, wait , wait a second. We were all told when this mysterious no 1 recruiting class happened, that A&M always recruited at a high level. Now it appears none of you want the same expectations that go along with recruiting that high. Jealousy? Strange term to use there. Alabama and Georgia are the ones winning championships. Why would they be jealous?
Did I direct Alabama and Georgia to be the ones jealous of our one #1 class out of the many times they’ve already finished at #1? No.
You’re trying to connect the wrong dots buddy. A&M has been recruiting at top 8 before the #1 class. Have they been recruiting at #1 and #2 for the prior four years? No. That’s where the line is drawn. Talent alone does not win you games but when Alabama and Georgia are way ahead the race with having 14 and 19 5*s already, it’s absurd to hold A&M to the same level. Did Georgia win the Natty with one #1 class? It’s so simple yet you just want to find the narrative to bash A&M. Scared of a school not named Alabama or Georgia that finished with one #1 recruting class?
Why? This is Jimbo’s 5th season at A&M. Jimbo has an amazing resume as a head coach including a national championship and the current roster of asst coaches are very impressive. A&M has everything they need to compete with UGA and Bama. Recruiting is a far from exact science and just a snapshot in time. I think it was Alabama who signed the #1 player in the country three years ago and the guy disappeared during Fall camp. So, was that #1 player ranking accurate given the results…. nope.
TAMU has the same record against LSU and Bama since joining the SEC, it’s 2-9.
It’s not like Georgia and Bama are the only teams holding TAMU back. You have to focus every week or else you end up 8-4.
It is not an exact science in regards to an individual player. It is a projection. As far as predicting trends in the overall talent of a program, it is fairly accurate, but there are always outliers.
Like I said, we should be finishing with a better record than the last season. A double digit win season is a must. But you ask anyone if A&M’s roster and coach is on the level of Georgia and Alabama, they’re gonna laugh their ass off at you.
You bring up one five star guy to prove your point. Really? Sure I know talent alone isn’t the determining factor but compare 14 and 19 5*s to 5 5*s. You want to apply five stars disappearing to A&M as well right? and not just Alabama because that #1 player from three years ago is your only proof? My goodness.
And you talk about A&M having everything they need. You want to look at Texas, LSU, and other SEC schools that invest as heavily as A&M does and you hold all of them on the same level as UGA and Bama? Take Texas for an example, they have as much $$$ as we do if not more and they have higher talent composite than A&M does (Florida, LSU, Clemson, tOSU all ahead right now). You’re saying they all should be competing at the level of #1 and #2 school in CFB. You are ridiculous.
A&M just beat Alabama. A&M won with what you are claiming is inferior talent (your five star comparison). So, if they can beat ONE team that has superior talent, why not ALL the teams with INFERIOR talent on their schedule? Does A&M recruiting talent advantage magically disappear in the home loss to Miss State? Can you do us a five and four star comparison on that? Do all the stars magically come and go as you see fit? If you are buying in to recruiting as the primary indicator of future success, A&M’s recruiting finishes of #4, #6, and #8 from 2019 – 2021 PROVES your team SHOULD be knocking on the door in 2022?
I like the way Jimbo yells at reporters when they ask him tough questions. Just like Daddy Nick taught him.
I wonder how long an under-performing SEC Coach named Jimbo will make the Big $$$$$$ boosters at A & M begin to question their “Investment” in the head coach ?
Like it or not, A&M has made a long term investment in jimbo. One way or the other, A&M will have to pay Jimbo $95 million dollars. So he is here for the long haul. What happens over the next 10 years remains to be seen…so stay tuned…and Gig ’em Ags…WHOOP!
Might want to review your Aggie history. Buyouts have never stopped replacing a coach before.
Fisher needs to be in double digit wins in 2022 and 2023, or he will be in the hot seat regardless. And in all honesty, he should be on the hot seat if he doesn’t produce.
Agreed
Luckily they are more knowledgeable than you and understand he’s not underperforming at this point in the game. The next couple of years will make that determination.
Finishing tied for 3rd in the west with 2cd year coach at Arkansas and 2cd year coach at MSU is underperforming, sorry.
Like I said, boosters are more knowledgeable and intelligent enough to look at more than records when evaluating. Sure the bottom line is always winning, but you guys pretend other championship coaches get to the playoffs every single year. Saban is the one and only coach who has been even remotely close to that level of consistency year in and year out.
Pump the breaks on A&M. You guys expect to much from Jimbo at this point. A&M will have a great chance in 2024 to make it the CFP.
Most overrated? Somebody taking Penn States decade long title!
I agree. I think the real make or break season for Jimbo is 2023. If we win 8 games this year and in 2023 that’s when Jimbo’s seat gets hot
What’s all this talk of Top 5? We’ll be lucky to win 5 this year!
I would like to see lowered expectations. That way it will be easier to surpass them. Other than tight end, I can’t see a position where we won’t be better than last year.
Wydermeyer was garbage last year. Stone hands.